the general election - Page 3

**accieturk** · #41 13-04-2010, 07:43 PM

it was just the way i had read the post Begs made me think they were for some reason
still doesnt make the choice any easier though
the added problem we have up here is we have to work out what policy would/could be over turned by whom ever is in scottish asembly as well

all getting too confusing now what with one rule from westminster another from brussels and another from devolved parliament

find yourself voting for and against the same thing depending on which election is taking place

**elftone1** · #42 13-04-2010, 07:44 PM

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would be if they had his address

tought they know where everyone lives

**accieturk** · #43 13-04-2010, 07:48 PM

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tought they know where everyone lives

only if they use
these guys

**Begbie** · #44 13-04-2010, 08:00 PM

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the added problem we have up here is we have to work out what policy would/could be over turned by whom ever is in scottish asembly as well

If a power has been devolved to the Scottish parliament (or NI & Welsh assemblies), laws passed at Westminster don't come into effect in, say, Scotland until the Scottish parliament have passed them.

Where a law existed before devolution, a devolved government can change the law, provided the power to do so has been devolved.

Scotland is slightly more complicated than NI and Wales, in that they have limited tax raising/varying powers but these powers have never been used.

**lumberjack** · #45 13-04-2010, 10:45 PM

I had a very quick look round, and there is a lot of anti-Cameron stuff out there in 'tinternet land. Some of it quite funny. I like the poster site:
http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php

Or if you prefer a Malcolm Tucker style:
http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/tucker.php

And a campaign to get a million people to not back Cameron. Not especially funny, but you may know people who want to get involved:
http://www.faceoffcameron.co.uk/

**megansdad** · #46 14-04-2010, 12:53 AM

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If you remember the last time the Tories were in power you'll know why it is essential they never govern this country again.

the best post by far
i salute you sir

**revolver** · #47 14-04-2010, 12:59 AM

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the best post by far
i salute you sir

Agreed.

**Begbie** · #48 14-04-2010, 05:44 AM

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the best post by far
i salute you sir

The biggest problem is that there aren't enough people around who remember the Thatcher or rump-Major parliaments.

Mix into the equation that Tony Blair turned the Labour Party from a party that was primarily a party that represented the ordinary man into a 'friend of business'.

He felt (and was probably right at the time) that he couldn't get elected without having 'Big Business' on-side, taking over the Conservative's home counties heartland and promising that people earning �30K (in today's money) wouldn't be affected. To my mind, he tore up Labour values.

I was going to write some more stuff but I've forgotten what it was.

**revolver** · #49 15-04-2010, 08:53 PM

Is everyone watching the live debate? Nick Clegg is doing pretty well.

**manUdave** · #50 15-04-2010, 08:59 PM

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Is everyone watching the live debate? Nick Clegg is doing pretty well.

Id sooner talk to scorer on the chat line.

**adam_ayres1988** · #51 15-04-2010, 09:01 PM

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Is everyone watching the live debate? Nick Clegg is doing pretty well.

Agreed.

**revolver** · #52 15-04-2010, 09:15 PM

Is it not illegal to scan currency?

**adam_ayres1988** · #53 15-04-2010, 09:31 PM

Got it off google, tis a large sig

**revolver** · #54 15-04-2010, 10:06 PM

Are you a strict Darwinist ayres?

**Begbie** · #55 15-04-2010, 10:10 PM

Nick Clegg gained the most ground but he was starting as an almost unknown. He held his own but his policies didn't really get questioned in too much depth.

Lib Dems up in the opinion polls, I would imagine. Depends how it is spun in the press.

Edit: He got his 'both are the same, we're different' point across well.

**revolver** · #56 15-04-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Begbie

Nick Clegg gained the most ground but he was starting as an almost unknown. He held his own but his policies didn't really get questioned in too much depth.

Lib Dems up in the opinion polls, I would imagine. Depends how it is spun in the press.

Completely agree. Clegg put forward some serious thought out and, in my opinion, full proof promises which is why he wasn't challenged so much. Cameron still can't answer how and where he gets his policies from and Gordon Brown just seemed to take it in his stride but kept jumping to his own defence.

There were two people squabbling and one guy trying to actually use the situation to his advantage.

Cameron also seemed to be relying on really specific and pinpoint examples to stretch across an entire sector. "This happened in this road, so it must be happening on every road"

**adam_ayres1988** · #57 15-04-2010, 10:32 PM

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Are you a strict Darwinist ayres?

It's a pretty sound theory he came up with

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Edit: He got his 'both are the same, we're different' point across well.

I very much enjoyed and agreed with what he said at that moment

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Completely agree. Clegg put forward some serious thought out and, in my opinion, full proof promises which is why he wasn't challenged so much. Cameron still can't answer how and where he gets his policies from and Gordon Brown just seemed to take it in his stride but kept jumping to his own defence.

There were two people squabbling and one guy trying to actually use the situation to his advantage.

Cameron also seemed to be relying on really specific and pinpoint examples to stretch across an entire sector. "This happened in this road, so it must be happening on every road"

Agreed.

Cameron did always go to a very specific example for every question.

Round 1 goes to the Cleggmeister.

**Begbie** · #58 15-04-2010, 10:34 PM

ITN have just issued a poll taken immediately after the debate. A 'weighted' sample puts Clegg as winner, Cameron 2nd and Brown last, Clegg getting about Cameron + Brown's % added together.

His ideas weren't challenged as much because the Lib Dems won't be the largest party. Brown made an early stab at getting Lib Dems to vote tactically but it is really Tory v Labour in practice.

TBH, a hung-parliament might not be a bad result for a change.

**wakka839** · #59 15-04-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Begbie

ITN have just issued a poll taken immediately after the debate. A 'weighted' sample puts Clegg as winner, Cameron 2nd and Brown last, Clegg getting about Cameron + Brown's % added together.

His ideas weren't challenged as much because the Lib Dems won't be the largest party. Brown made an early stab at getting Lib Dems to vote tactically but it is really Tory v Labour in practice.

TBH, a hung-parliament might not be a bad result for a change.

Seen a few more results... mail online, has clegg about 46% cameron in the 20's/30's and brown at bout 18

Sky has clegg and cameron on same and brown bout 16%

**revolver** · #60 16-04-2010, 12:18 AM

Tactical voting is always what will cripple the Lib Dems. Question is would you rather see labour in power over the tories or vote lib dem and hope others do to.

Its a permanent dilemma for anyone, like me, who would rather see anyone else in that tories.

Brown has put wheels in motion for an economic recovery, do we let him have 4 years to achieve it or throw in the towel and let someone else have their go?