terracing of football grounds

**megansdad** · #1 25-03-2011, 09:21 PM

good article in one of the papers this week.
the re-introduction of terracing at football grounds,just wondering what other fsiers feel on the subject.
for me personally there can be no way back and all seater stadiums are the way forward.
the point was made that the hillsborough disaster wasnt the fault of terracing. which rightly or wrongly is a strong and valid point.
has the atmosphere been lost at certain premiership grounds because of seating only??
well i know that isnt true coz old trafford never had an atmosphere to start with

but on a serious note,would anybody vote in favour of the re-introduction of terracing and if so give your reasons.
your thoughts please motley crew

**bazzer** · #2 25-03-2011, 10:30 PM

Ye they should bring back standing in the enclosures ,or the lower decks Id keep the upper decks seated as not everyone feels safe standing give people a choice and keep the status quo if ya git ma drift ,nothing worse than sitting when the weather is bloody freezin at least if they make the lower decks standing you can Do The Bouncy lol that keeps ye warm

All seater stadiums do takeaway part of the atmosphere dont think there is any doubt about that

Id still keep the alcohol ban at football stadiums though

**megansdad** · #3 25-03-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bazzer

Ye they should bring back standing in the enclosures ,or the lower decks Id keep the upper decks seated as not everyone feels safe standing give people a choice and keep the status quo if ya git ma drift ,nothing worse than sitting when the weather is bloody freezin at least if they make the lower decks standing you can Do The Bouncy lol that keeps ye warm

All seater stadiums do takeaway part of the atmosphere dont think there is any doubt about that

Id still keep the alcohol ban at football stadiums though

yeah someone said about the bottom tiers of a stadium where the maximum capacity was reduced might be acceptable.
as long as fans arent caged in,thats the whole thing as far as i am concerned.
as far as alcohol goes,no never.

**jake robinson** · #4 26-03-2011, 08:17 AM

I would like to see them back, there is nothing like that atmosphere. Agree about the upper stands and the family stands. Think it just has to be done safely and I am sure there were hard lessons learnt from the past.

**manUdave** · #5 26-03-2011, 01:36 PM

can't see it ever coming back, you can charge more for a seat

they would not let them pack the crowds in to make more money.

**ruudboy** · #6 26-03-2011, 02:44 PM

I understand why you would want to see them re introduced, but I would personally prefer they weren't. There are enough yobs going to games today without encouraging their obnoxious behaviour further still by bringing terracing back. I like it the way it is now.

**jonny68** · #7 26-03-2011, 04:24 PM

I'm all for safer standing, im from the old skool a lot of younger people thesedays wouldn't even remember terraces,safer standing can work but i can never see it happening, i remember the Stretford End in the 1980's and what a place that was, Old Trafford today is a pale shadow of what it used to be.

**jake robinson** · #8 26-03-2011, 04:39 PM

Fans sing and shout more when they are standing , doesn't make them yobs!

**megansdad** · #9 26-03-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jonny68

I'm all for safer standing, im from the old skool a lot of younger people thesedays wouldn't even remember terraces,safer standing can work but i can never see it happening, i remember the Stretford End in the 1980's and what a place that was, Old Trafford today is a pale shadow of what it used to be.

home sides seem to have lost the advantage of having a roaring terraced crowd on their side i have to agree.
dont think its enough to re-introduce terracing on a larger scale tho.
as for the stretford end??
try standing on the kop at anfield with 25,000 around you,now thats scary people being passed overhead to the st johns ambulance team on the pitch having been smashed into a barrier.
as i have witnessed this first hand,i wouldnt want terracing brought back.
added to that i dont like the idea of getting a wet leg from some pissed up scalywag emptying his bladder contents on me during a game

**suzie** · #10 26-03-2011, 07:20 PM

I would love to see some standing back in the lower stands when I went to United v Marseille the other week we got told off twice by the stewards for standing in the end he gave up and left us to it...I remember the good old days standing in the stretford end even though it was quite scarey at times at least it kept me warm

**bazzer** · #11 26-03-2011, 07:42 PM

Im a terracing fan, Loved watching the lassies doing the BOUNCY

Bring standing areas back

**ruudboy** · #12 28-03-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jake robinson

Fans sing and shout more when they are standing , doesn't make them yobs!

You are right about the ones who sing and shout and encourage their team. I�m referring to the racist hooligans who would no doubt return if standing is brought back. There will always be idiots around the game, I know that, but they would multply with the terrace returning, and they would become more violent. I�m not normally a pessimist you know . . . .

**jake robinson** · #13 28-03-2011, 08:27 PM

I know what you mean and unfortunately that's what would probably happen.

They would also be the problem of not being so comfotable being able to eat their prawn sandwich standing up.

**Toffeepop** · #14 07-04-2011, 10:24 AM

I was up at silly o'clock this morning and on BBC1 breakfast news they had a decent article about bringing back standing at games. It's probably on the bbci player somewhere. Showed how they do it in Austria where everyone has a standing spot but also has a pull down seat if they want to make it an all seater, like an opening ceremony or something. MP's are going to reconsider the rules as you can still stand in divisions 1 and 2 but not the premiership. 90% of supporters want some sort of standing brought back. They are not talking about whole stadiums, just certain areas for those that want to stand. Personally I think it's about time standing was brought back. It's not even standing that has caused problems in the past, it was the policing of it but you can stand at many other sports, rugby for example, most outdorr arena big gigs are mostly standing and there are no issues there so see no reason why football should suffer. Much better atmosphere too.

On a side note, there's never been one issue at the Austrian stadium they showed.

**jake robinson** · #15 07-04-2011, 11:12 AM

It's been discussed here toffeepop http://www.fsicrew.info/forums/terra...ds-t16708.html
Was a good article and the austrian idea looked so simple but they often are the best. My view is some areas should be like the lady said behind the goal were most stand anyway.

**Begbie** · #16 07-04-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jake robinson

It's been discussed here toffeepop http://www.fsicrew.info/forums/terra...ds-t16708.html
Was a good article and the austrian idea looked so simple but they often are the best. My view is some areas should be like the lady said behind the goal were most stand anyway.

Threads merged.

**jamjars** · #17 12-04-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

You are right about the ones who sing and shout and encourage their team. I�m referring to the racist hooligans who would no doubt return if standing is brought back. There will always be idiots around the game, I know that, but they would multply with the terrace returning, and they would become more violent. I�m not normally a pessimist you know . . . .

why do you instantly assume they would return in their numbers just because terracing is re-introduced? if you're an idiot that likes to cause trouble and ruin it for the rest of us then you're an idiot regardless of the seating plan, can't see your point myself

**Begbie** · #18 13-04-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jamjars

why do you instantly assume they would return in their numbers just because terracing is re-introduced? if you're an idiot that likes to cause trouble and ruin it for the rest of us then you're an idiot regardless of the seating plan, can't see your point myself

You have to ask yourself, 'Why did the number of incidents significantly reduce when all-seating was brought in?' There appears to be a direct correlation. I think that Ruud was probably basing his post on that.

Having said that, I enjoyed matches more when I was standing in the terraces rather than when I've been at all-seating matches. There is definitely a better 'buzz' but the combination of the better buzz, sub-conscious anxiety about people invading other's 'personal space' and the mob mentality mean that there is more likely to be trouble.

A 'baying mob' situation is less likely to develop when a crowd cannot surge forward in mass, due to having to tilt some seats back or jump over several rows of seats to join the mob.

Pricing terraced tickets at the same price as the current seating tickets might work, paying �30 for a fight and a night in a cell would probably put most hooleys off. What affect would that price have on other prices in the ground and on season ticket holders?

**jamjars** · #19 14-04-2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Begbie

You have to ask yourself, 'Why did the number of incidents significantly reduce when all-seating was brought in?' There appears to be a direct correlation. I think that Ruud was probably basing his post on that.

Having said that, I enjoyed matches more when I was standing in the terraces rather than when I've been at all-seating matches. There is definitely a better 'buzz' but the combination of the better buzz, sub-conscious anxiety about people invading other's 'personal space' and the mob mentality mean that there is more likely to be trouble.

A 'baying mob' situation is less likely to develop when a crowd cannot surge forward in mass, due to having to tilt some seats back or jump over several rows of seats to join the mob.

Pricing terraced tickets at the same price as the current seating tickets might work, paying �30 for a fight and a night in a cell would probably put most hooleys off. What affect would that price have on other prices in the ground and on season ticket holders?

i'm not convinced that the hooliganism stopped it just moved away from the grounds, the technoligy won't change and all the people/idiots on banning orders still won't be able to get near the grounds

**Begbie** · #20 14-04-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jamjars

i'm not convinced that the hooliganism stopped it just moved away from the grounds, the technoligy won't change and all the people/idiots on banning orders still won't be able to get near the grounds

Hooliganism always happened away from the grounds (as well as in the grounds), more so when there was terracing.

I'd love terracing to be able to come back but the only way that it could happen is if the hooleys are priced out of attending. This will have a knock on effect on the prices that a normal, non-hooley supporter has to spend to watch a match.

I believe that ticket pricing and seating almost got rid of the problem, with the knock-on affect on ordinary, decent supporters' pockets. Few people can afford a season ticket nowadays but the top clubs have a massive annual 'take' from the middle-classes who are now buying the ticket packages.

Big business prefers middle-class customers, with more disposable income, to working-class customers. That's what will decide whether terracing returns or not. Terracing will not return until it fits their business models.