Stop the Bigots

[CELT1967]

Its about time we all grow up or wake up to it

WHY NOT STAMP RACISM OUT .NOW:'(

[accieturk]

totally agree celt1967

be it racial ,sectarian or any other form of discrimination ther is no place for it in this day and age
thankfully it does appear to be slowly decreasing but it will take a long time if ever to eradicate totally

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[suzie]

Its about time we all grow up or wake up to it

WHY NOT STAMP RACISM OUT .NOW:'( Totally agree celt it is getting better and children at schools are getting taught the message from an early age which I'm sure will help for the future...As for this site no sign of racism here just alot of sexism :(

[accieturk]

suzie we do try to keep everything in check
i suppose on a site with a vastly male membership there will be some light hearted jovial sexist remarks made
i know that is not what you are referring to though and i am sure any clear gender abuse will be dealt with the same way as any other form of abuse
we value the female members of the site
espescialy the more outspoken ones
as with anything we can sometimes miss things and as with all members you can always point out any thing that you feel is out of order

no the existence of liverpool is not valid ;)

[suzie]

suzie we do try to keep everything in check
i suppose on a site with a vastly male membership there will be some light hearted jovial sexist remarks made
i know that is not what you are referring to though and i am sure any clear gender abuse will be dealt with the same way as any other form of abuse
we value the female members of the site
espescialy the more outspoken ones
as with anything we can sometimes miss things and as with all members you can always point out any thing that you feel is out of order

no the existence of liverpool is not valid ;) thanks accie that last comment made me laugh :lol: and the comment of being outspoken! How very dare you no one has ever said that to me before (that's a joke by the way accie) :lol:

[accieturk]

now what made you think i meant you

outspoken you never

well im not brave enough to say anything else :lol:

[tjl]

Its about time we all grow up or wake up to it

WHY NOT STAMP RACISM OUT .NOW:'(

:eek: If this wasn't such a serious point I would be busting a gut with laughter,while I agree that Bigotry in any form should be stamped out,the thought of stopping Racist/Bigotry chants north of the border brings a smile to my face as first you have to get to the grass roots of the problem and that starts with children,now I know that the powers to be will try and use the education infrastructure to do this it all comes to nothing when "little Johnny" goes home and listens to his parents pouring out pure vitriolic poison against one religon or an other as this was passed down from generation to generation and when he meets up with his mates who have also been indoctrinated with the same vile rubbish you might as well try to fill the North sea to over flowing by taking a piss in it,so untill you stop the handing down by parents you will never stamp it out,sorry but it's true,I have a friend who though Catholic married a Church of Scotland woman and he as well as his wife have been shunned by both families for many many years,so you see how sceptical I am but I wish you luck in this quest....:drink:

[deadlywill]

Well said tjl - From my early years, my home life was filled with racism. "racist abuse" etc was common place at the dinner table. Racism was taught to me by my stepfather with a fist in the mouth if i didn't agree. After moving out of home i realised one night sitting in a pub in Sydney drinking with a bunch of mixed race people, having a great time, that it's just pointless bullshit and it wasn't me. Why am i supposed to hate everyone - cause they weren't born in Australia? Older and wiser now i realise the only person i really hate is my stepfather and all the shit that goes with him.
I learnt it - then i un-learnt it. I would welcome and shake the hand of anyone from any country coming to mine.

[Begbie]

The whole thing is far more complicated than throwing a few slogans at it. I know someone who is Protestant and was married to a Catholic. They're divorced but the kids regularly see their father, but they frequently make bigotted statements. It's only about people in general, that they don't know. (?)

There are so many different levels of bigotry. Some people treat their 'side of the fence' as others treat their football team, similar to Man U/Liverpool. Some people do it to 'belong' and be part of the crowd. Some people have it hammered into them from birth. Some people do it for a bit of power in their neighbourhood. Some people are just hoods, and if it wasn't for this they would find another excuse.

There are so many more 'sub-groups', but it's plain that one solution won't fix all.

[accieturk]

good posts lads

the sectarian thing is a nightmare in our society , my mum is scottish from mixed irish parents , 1/2 my family are split down the sectarian divisions
and thats before you throw the turkish 1/2 in
i have spent a huge part of both my childhood and adult life in the west of scotland (including being born) i grew up with it all around me like so many others here and across the water
my girlfriend is catholic as is my son my mum protestant , i dont have a problem with that why should i
i was fortunate i grew up in two religons i had a choice many dont

there has been a lot of improvement in things but untill we can eradicate as has been said above the inherited bigotry then it will be an uphill struggle

i live in a village perceived to be the most sectarian place in Scotland and yes the story of the guy who painted his grass blue is true i was at school with him
the west of scotland more so than other parts shares many things with N ireland hardly surprising as almost all can trace irish ancestory but the biggest problem in both countries is the existance of 90% one faith areas ,villages towns and separate schooling , the bigest problem is the lack of real knowledge of the other half
not to mention some of the perceived things that are different
if people could grow up side by side ,schooled together it would help a bit
but to be honest it is a problem i dont think will ever fully be got rid of

the sooner we all realise regardless of
gender,age,colour,nationality,political or religious beliefs we all are the same inside
the better

[mjm]

I think that a lot of the things being done at present ARE making a big difference. Just go back 3 or 4 seasons and remember the bile that was coming from both Celtic and Rangers fans (at home and away games), and not the minority as it mostly is now. I think we are quick to say that it'll never go away, but look at the progress that is being made. I honestly believe that it is getting better. Look at things like Orange Walks. Certainly in the East of Scotland, there are a whole lot more men and women i'd put in the 50+ bracket, than in their 20's. The current generation may just die out eventually (I can't speak for the Connolly side as they don't have many marches that i've seen through here). The council should say no immediately to any future juvenile marches (which go on every summer). What do 6 and 7 year old kids wearing sashes and playing flutes even care about battles hundreds of years ago. If you stop the juvenile marches now, then they might just not be bothered in 10 or 15 years time.

Things are improving, but it is time for the government to put a stop to all the marches. Will they have the balls to do it though...

[tjl]

Things are improving, but it is time for the government to put a stop to all the marches. Will they have the balls to do it though...[/quote]

:| You bring up an interesting point re the Government,now it may work in Scotland by what you say about marching,but to try an implement this in Northern Ireland would be another matter for it is in this part of Great Britain that Bigotry and Sectarianism are an Natural way of life for some,to stop by law this in that part of the Nation would be an Interesting development,and No I don't come from that part of the world but I have served over there in the late 60's and my wife as distant relations over there who we have visited and you can rest assure that within 5 minutes of conversation that your religious beliefs are being found out,now I know that this does not happen in England for other than Politicians who debate who the next head of state can or cannot marry nobody else gives a Flying Fook what religion a person is,I just wish the rest of this Great Nation of our's did the same....:drink:

[Begbie]

I think that a lot of the things being done at present ARE making a big difference. Just go back 3 or 4 seasons and remember the bile that was coming from both Celtic and Rangers fans (at home and away games), and not the minority as it mostly is now. I think we are quick to say that it'll never go away, but look at the progress that is being made. I honestly believe that it is getting better. Look at things like Orange Walks. Certainly in the East of Scotland, there are a whole lot more men and women i'd put in the 50+ bracket, than in their 20's. The current generation may just die out eventually (I can't speak for the Connolly side as they don't have many marches that i've seen through here). The council should say no immediately to any future juvenile marches (which go on every summer). What do 6 and 7 year old kids wearing sashes and playing flutes even care about battles hundreds of years ago. If you stop the juvenile marches now, then they might just not be bothered in 10 or 15 years time.

Things are improving, but it is time for the government to put a stop to all the marches. Will they have the balls to do it though...
Because the bigotry isn't being expressed so openly doesn't mean that it's not there, not happening outside grounds and not bubbling under the surface.

Many youngsters see the Orande Order as old and fuddy-duddy with too many auld boys telling them to behave with more dignity which, in my part of the world at least, is probably one of the main reasons for a drop in numbers.

I have never been in the Orange Order, so I'm not coming from that point of view.


:| You bring up an interesting point re the Government,now it may work in Scotland by what you say about marching,but to try an implement this in Northern Ireland would be another matter for it is in this part of Great Britain that Bigotry and Sectarianism are an Natural way of life for some,to stop by law this in that part of the Nation would be an Interesting development

This is quite true. It would put the 'peace process' back 20 years at least. Marches are viewed very differently in N. Ireland and little understood by those not in the situation.

[blacknwhite]

What makes me laugh about all the sectarianism that goes on is those that do it know very little about their own religion. How many of those you see shouting abuse at football matches or you see marching in the street go to church every day/week? Hardly any.They only know the songs they sing because they are brought up with them but they don't really know what they mean, not really.If kneecapping people or throwing bricks through peoples windows shows your solidarity to whichever 'Religion' you are then i wouldn't want to be part of any religion or God that would condone that behaviour.

None of them are interested in Religion, it's just gang warfare and criminals that are involved in it and try to intimidate people into hinking like them.My friend lives in Belfast and it is a lot better than it was 10 years ago and will keep improving with time.She gets the feeling that people were getting sick and tired of the same old things happening and just wanted change. It now has to be stopped at the school level.It's 2007 For crying out loud and for peope, to be still going around and banging on about stuff that happened so long ago no one is alive to remember it is pretty sad really.
I'm not saying you ever forget but you must move on at some point. I will always be in debt to my grandfathers and before for what they di for this country but i don't go around hating Germans and Japanese, these people fought for a world of peace and that includes with the very people they were fighting. We move on.

As for other forms of racism,be it against blacks,asians,iraqis.muslims etc, there is just no need for it at all and everyone when in the presence of it should stand up and say something and this goes both ways if you overhear muslims being anti-english or blacks calling whites 'Honkies' whichever way the racism is going you say something. It's intolerable, theer are a hell of a lot more things to be worrying about than someone's religion or colour. When you actually take just 1 minute and sit back and realise that people hate other people because of their beliefs or colour, just think about it !!

It's the mind of an idiot, nothing more, nothing less.

Right, Group hug?

[Begbie]

There was a BBC program about built in bigotry, with an online test for subconscious bigotry. Many 'perfectly respectable' showed a bias and were shocked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/stateofminds/test_honest.shtml It may work for the West of Scotland, but would probably need to be changed to a bias in Race for the rest of the UK. Interesting stuff.

[blacknwhite]

There was a BBC program about built in bigotry, with an online test for subconscious bigotry. Many 'perfectly respectable' showed a bias and were shocked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/stateofminds/test_honest.shtml It may work for the West of Scotland, but would probably need to be changed to a bias in Race for the rest of the UK. Interesting stuff.

I think it's just a case of waking up and going with what you know in your heart is right. For example you get the people who might tell what they think not to be a racist joke with the words 'I'm not a racist., it's just a joke isn't it'? Funny how these same people never seem to tell that joke when there is someone black or asain around isn't it. Racsism and bigotry come in many forms.Often it's because people are in fear of something they don't understand or it's been in their family growing up and so they have just become like their parents. However, i think most people who think and act like that no in their hearts what they are doing is wrong but they don't have the strength to change their ways.Again often it's because those they hang around with may ridicule them for doing so so it's easier for people to stay in their comfort zone and do nothing. Like many people have said on heer already about frowing up around racist and bigoted family and friends. Luckily i had a mum who instilled in me that you cannot act like that (i also lived in a town with no black people and maybe one young gay fella) but she knew it was wrong and so i guess i have always had that attitude.

Thing is i don't see why it is so hard to not be racist or bigoted or even nice to people. I find my life far more rewarding for trying to be nice to people than it would be just to be nasty, i don't get it. It costs nowt to be nice.

[accieturk]

I think it's just a case of waking up and going with what you know in your heart is right. For example you get the people who might tell what they think not to be a racist joke with the words 'I'm not a racist., it's just a joke isn't it'? Funny how these same people never seem to tell that joke when there is someone black or asain around isn't it. Racsism and bigotry come in many forms.Often it's because people are in fear of something they don't understand or it's been in their family growing up and so they have just become like their parents. However, i think most people who think and act like that no in their hearts what they are doing is wrong but they don't have the strength to change their ways.Again often it's because those they hang around with may ridicule them for doing so so

Thing is i don't see why it is so hard to not be racist or bigoted or even nice to people. I find my life far more rewarding for trying to be nice to people than it would be just to be nasty, i don't get it. It costs nowt to be nice.

hit the nail on the head there blacknwhite
and i agree totally with the points you made ,i use the philosophy of your last sentance all the time it is easier to be nice ,even to those who are not returning the courtesy , i know i used to be the opposite but woke up one day and woke up

what i will also add in the interest of fairness and balance is the religious bigotry is not isolated to christianity it exists in other religions too , and yes the racial bigotry swings both ways as well , and national /regional problems are found all over the world

if people could only accept that yes there may be different aspects to people not native to a country but those differences may actually be an asset to the country not a bad thing
a light hearted example what would Britain be like without Indian take aways and yet the Indian immigrants were frowned upon at first now curry is a national dish (i wont mention kebabs :lol: )

[CELT1967]

Could murder a Kebab......:)

Thanks for the replys people ,,
lot of interesting stuff there,and all pushing the same way..:clap:

[accieturk]

only since its you Celt1967
and you raised such a good subject
as special topkapi kebap
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/tinkerbelle1/Icmeler%20July%202006/IcmelerJuly2006135.jpg

[FSi Team]

now I'm getting hungry.. that looks top notch accie.. any chance you have the recipe for that??

from what I can make out it has, lamb?? mashed spuds a sprinkling of chips, rice, a green pepper and tomato?? some sort of squash??, and a courgette or avocado??

[accieturk]

i dont have the recipe but i will get it for you and it should be fish although that does look like lamb in pic
its a spicy fruity sauce not squash lol and there is lettuce and cucumber in there somewhere as well and to be honest anything you fancy throwing in you can use lamb chicken or meat as well if prefered

[CELT1967]

Looks GREAT mate, thanks..:thumbsup:

[deadlywill]

Exactly Accie - i cant go more than a week without my turkish pizza - live off the stuff!!

[centre-mid]

kebabs rule all : )

[Begbie]

kebabs rule all : )Would a Turkish taxi firm be called B-Kabs? :lol:

[first_2_50]

Are we talking bigotry in football, or just bigotry in general society?

[accieturk]

Begs even i found that funny

First-2-50
both i suppose its up to you all what gets discussed its all your site after all
without members there would be no site

[Harry Hotspur]

No more Alf Garnett then?

[keeper]

Great topic, and some lovely insights, I enjoyed reading all your thoughts.

[accieturk]

Harry hotspur

i love alf garnett could watch him all day i also loved love thy neighbour
had this conversation before but if people look closely they will see in both cases its the bigotry that is being ridiculed
stilll funny as fook though you silly moo:lol:(not you harry ;) )

[Harry Hotspur]

Harry hotspur

i love alf garnett could watch him all day i also loved love thy neighbour
had this conversation before but if people look closely they will see in both cases its the bigotry that is being ridiculed
stilll funny as fook though you silly moo:lol:(not you harry ;) )

:lol:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/images/stories/iphone.jpg

[accieturk]

cheers Harry top man :thumbwink:

[megansdad]

only since its you Celt1967
and you raised such a good subject
as special topkapi kebap
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/tinkerbelle1/Icmeler%20July%202006/IcmelerJuly2006135.jpg
accie one of the many delights of turkey their food
especially the pide spicey meat ones of course;)

[megansdad]

hit the nail on the head there blacknwhite
and i agree totally with the points you made ,i use the philosophy of your last sentance all the time it is easier to be nice ,even to those who are not returning the courtesy , i know i used to be the opposite but woke up one day and woke up

what i will also add in the interest of fairness and balance is the religious bigotry is not isolated to christianity it exists in other religions too , and yes the racial bigotry swings both ways as well , and national /regional problems are found all over the world

if people could only accept that yes there may be different aspects to people not native to a country but those differences may actually be an asset to the country not a bad thing
a light hearted example what would Britain be like without Indian take aways and yet the Indian immigrants were frowned upon at first now curry is a national dish (i wont mention kebabs :lol: )
heres one for you accie someone at work informed me a while ago that a majority of galatassaray supporters are muslim while most fenebache supporters are christian because fenebache is on the european side of the bosphorus and galatassary the other/
had to ask our hotel staff when we were over there in june.
they told me no its a load of shyte.
so maybe you can shed some light on this:-/:-/
ps sorry if i have made any spelling mistakes

[accieturk]

you are correct on there being a continental split but no there is no religious slit amongst the fans , the big 3 clubs Galatasaray ,besiktas and them in blue and yellow (fenerbache) have fans all over the country in every region of every type

[quazoid]

i think rodney marsh should moderate the forum.

[Begbie]

i think rodney marsh should moderate the forum.:lol::lol::lol: or Big Fat Ron?

[glenman]

Begbie, you ever tried using a laptop on a sunbed, while drinking copious amounts of alcohol?

[Raff67]

I wonder what the thread starters opinions are on that bint from the celtic supporters trust ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/7104362.stm


Stupid cow.

[mad-dog]

I wonder what the thread starters opinions are on that bint from the celtic supporters trust ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/7104362.stm


Stupid cow.

i was listerning to this on radio 5 going to work and i could not belive her :x its people like here who are the problem :x at least some people who are members of the trust phoned up later and said they would no longer stay in it

could not of put it better myself stupid cow

[accieturk]

i got told about her ,didnt see or hear the comments till now thanks mrc

the sad thing is i can think of so many people on both sides who think along the same lines
glad the club was quick to dismiss her comments as well

[malkie]

All bigots are the same. They can never see anyone else's point of view.

Which, of course is what makes them bigots in the first place!

Stamp on them. They'll soon get the message. It won't stop them thinking their hateful bile, but it will make them think before voicing their bigoted opinions in public.