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Personally i think one of the worst things in a democratic country, such as yours and mine, is only being democratic when it suits you. Freedom of speech - just watch what you say!
Regardless of what you think, whether you agree with him or disagree with him, he was democratically elected by the voters as thier representative in parliament and to dismiss that is to dismiss the very democracy we claim not only to live in but are hard selling to other countries as the proper way to be.
The equivalent in Australia is called the One Nation Party and it gained a footing in this country and had representatives elected because the mainstream parties were seen to not be doing a thing about immigration. The subject is constantly brought up and just as quickly swept under the carpet. People that speak their mind about it are more often than not labelled racist or Nazi. My reasoning that politicians leave it well alone is because of one reason - Money.
How does increasing Australia's population from 22 million to 35 million by 2030-2040 help our country? Do we need it to survive? - no. Do we need it for food and water? - no. We have an abundance of oil and natural gas, iron ore and coal aplenty. The bottom line is money makes the world go around and no country wants to get left behind. We can stay the same now quite comfortably without more people but we will not get any higher up the world money and power tree. Politics changed a decade or so ago from 'What can we do for you' to 'What can we get from you'
I think multicultural societies work well in some parts and not well in others. Some things i dislike are secular schooling (muslim schools, cristian schools, jewish schools etc) I'm absolutely certain that this is a breeding ground for hatred amongst one another. We all got taught together in my day and i am tolerant to other peoples way of life. Migrant families are given precedence in the public housing sector before Australian born citizens. Immigrant's being elected to parliament i'm against as they tend to express views related to their own country/countrymen which adds to the alienation of native born Australians. There are other things but i wont go on. No systems perfect.
The leader of the One Nation Party was thrown in jail here just before the election on trumped up charges that later were proven false. An action led by the liberal party in power at the time. A perfect example of democracy in action. Once thrown in jail and realising that they would lose votes the liberal party adopted some of her 'racist' immigration policies themselves as i believe Thatcher did early in her days.
Fact is, as a party, they will never get in the position of running the country. They are more or less there to keep the comfortable politicians uncomfortable, to make them address concerns that they would otherwise not address at all. You should always hope that in a democracy the opposition parties are being well led and are strong in policy, even if it's not your party or you would never vote for them, as this is essential to keeping those in power accountable.
I'm waiting for the fucking curtain guy to turn up with my new curtains...........
I think multicultural societies work well in some parts and not well in others. Some things i dislike are secular schooling (muslim schools, cristian schools, jewish schools etc) I'm absolutely certain that this is a breeding ground for hatred amongst one another. We all got taught together in my day and i am tolerant to other peoples way of life.
Fully in agreement Deaders,and if people were honest with themselves they agree with some of what these people say but don't wish to admit it but would never like to see them in power as there methods of dealing with the problems they speak off are not welcome as they were not in the years 1939 to 1945 and still going on in Africa and Iran and recently in Iraq....
Griffin looked like a guy completely out of his depth last night. Racism aside, their policies are bollocks, they have a fucking shite leader and feed off frustration towards issues which they could never solve. If I was one of the people who voted for them....I'd ask for my vote back after last night's performance. Guy's a fucking prick and shouldn't even be in politics, never mind the leader of a party. I don't think even he knows what his ideas are. Which makes it worrying people would look at him as a peer and put a cross next to his party's name! And what the fuck is up with his eye?
Sharky's NSE (No Strange Eyes) party policy.
Nobody with a strange eye is allowed into this great land we call Sharkland.
People with strange eyes are terrorist who base their beliefs on the evil text, Three Blind Mice.
People with strange eyes should go back to where they come from.
People with strange eyes look different than us so are the devil.
Bossed eyed? Yes? Well you're not welcome here.
Think im more angling with Sharky's view on this one. I think everyone is bleeting on in Britain about his racial ideology, which he completely denied last night.
The BNP policies look like the fantasy policies of a 12 year old, naive and ignorant kid. Ending foreign import and trade, withdrawing UK Army support in any other country, giving teachers a hard-line attitude ala 1900.
The list goes on. However, the ONLY thing people wanted to talk about was colour and Winston fucking Churchill. It's not as though Churchill was a saint and the war ended over 60 years ago, so get over it Britain.
I also find it deeply disturbing that those who protested Griffin's appearance on the BBC are supporters of democracy and freedom of speech (which they are exercising in protesting) yet feel they have the right to deny an elected member of a political party their voice. And in doing so adding more spotlight on what turned out to be a massive media event. Protesting is completely counter-productive as it just added more wood to the fire.
Nobody with a strange eye is allowed into this great land we call Sharkland.
People with strange eyes are terrorist who base their beliefs on the evil text, Three Blind Mice.
People with strange eyes should go back to where they come from.
People with strange eyes look different than us so are the devil.
Bossed eyed? Yes? Well you're not welcome here.
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Originally Posted by revolver
Think im more angling with Sharky's view on this one. I think everyone is bleeting on in Britain about his racial ideology, which he completely denied last night.
The BNP policies look like the fantasy policies of a 12 year old, naive and ignorant kid. Ending foreign import and trade, withdrawing UK Army support in any other country, giving teachers a hard-line attitude ala 1900.
The list goes on. However, the ONLY thing people wanted to talk about was colour and Winston fucking Churchill. It's not as though Churchill was a saint and the war ended over 60 years ago, so get over it Britain.
I also find it deeply disturbing that those who protested Griffin's appearance on the BBC are supporters of democracy and freedom of speech (which they are exercising in protesting) yet feel they have the right to deny an elected member of a political party their voice. And in doing so adding more spotlight on what turned out to be a massive media event. Protesting is completely counter-productive as it just added more wood to the fire.
..The leader of the similar party out here,Pauline Hanson, was often the target of ridicule simply because she was not a trained or experienced public speaker. Her fellow experienced politicians saw her coming a mile off and done a number on her every time she hit the box - doesn't mean she didn't have valid points - just that she had trouble getting it across without sounding slightly stupid. Voters though saw through the opposing parties tactics of ridiculing her and at One Nation's first election, they took seats off the government which lit a fire under their arse ie: shit - people are actually voting for their policies! Only then did they change their own policies to reflect what the people were saying. One Nation party wasn't a racist or anti -immigration party it was simply concerned that we were overdoing immigration numbers and we were not bringing the right people ie: with job skills. Once one person has migrated here - they are allowed to bring in their whole extended family - whether they be hard working churchies or serial killers didn't matter. Hence crime went up dramatically and literacy skills declined - safety in our homes and on the street was never really an issue my whole life till the early nineties. As you probably have there - some nationalities from around the world simply fucken hate each other and even after they move to a new country the hate doesn't go away.
Rev mentioned that people were going on about Hitler and what he did which to me is irrelevant to anyone that wasn't around when it happened. Remembering that Britain and Hitler's Nazi party were on speaking terms and meeting terms and deal making terms for a long while before Hitler actually decided to say 'fuck them - i'm gunna do what i want' Political parties should be discussing the future and remembering the past....
Just to add fuel to your debate lol i just received this newsletter .
QUESTION TIME ROUND-UPFellow British Patriot
"The man's got guts!" "At last, someone saying exactly what we all feel". "The hand-picked audience in the studio hated what Nick had to say, but we loved it". "I've never seen such political bullying on TV in my life." "When he pointed out how all the others are racist against the English, we were all cheering".
Just a few of the responses to the long-awaited BBC Question Time with Nick Griffin tonight. It was never going to be easy: Central London is the most 'enriched' and 'diverse' part of Britain, the BBC audience selection process is clearly guaranteed to 'weed out' politically incorrect guests, and the other panellists shared one aim: to rough up Nick Griffin.
As it is, no-one who saw Jack Straw turn ashen-faced when Nick responded to his 'Nazi' smear by pointing out that "my father served in the RAF during the Second World War - yours spent it in prison for refusing to fight Adolf Hitler." Time and time again Nick gave as good as he got.
Most of all though, this wasn't a proper Question Time at all. The usual format was done away with for the first time in 30 years as the BBC over-compensated for allowing us on by setting things up for a televised lynching.
There was nothing about current affairs at all; no postal strike, nothing about the announcement that Tony Blair is about to be appointed EU President, nothing about the continued slaughter of young British soldiers in Afghanistan, nothing about the latest stages of the banking crisis and the scandal of the Government propping up corrupt banks while imposing savage cuts on essential services. On all those subjects and many more, the BNP's nationalist position offers a real alternative to the three old internationalist parties.
But the only non-BNP/immigration question was about a Daily Mail article on the death of Stephen Gately, and even that was a trap - which Chairman Nick Griffin avoided with both ease and principle.
Where does it leave the BNP? On this day alone our website has had in the region of 15 million 'hits' and over 2,000 new registrations for future membership before QT even started! Millions were shocked by the violence of the leftist mob sponsored by - among other MPs - Peter Hain and David Cameron.
With millions more people beginning to grasp the extent to which the three old parties are essentially the same, while the British National Party is really different. With millions of people knowing that in just a couple of killer soundbites in the middle of the programme, Nick Griffin summed up exactly how they, and all their friends and neighbours, feel about the mess that Lib-Lab-Con have made of our poor country.
They will also have noted very well that Nick Griffin and Bonny Greer clearly got on well, and that Nick listened with respect and answered with consideration even hostile questions from members of ethnic minorities in the audience; the hostility tonight wasn't from Nick towards anyone on account of their ethnicity or religion, it was from the representatives of the failed old parties towards the new kid on the block.
When the details of all the personal attacks against Nick Griffin are long forgotten, people will remember him standing up bravely to a barrage of hate to say things on behalf of the Silent Majority that have never been said on the flagship programme of British politics before.
Griffin was given his chance to explain his policies and actions but seemingly refused to do it and i dont think that he was attacked in anyway by the other political members on the panel. Bonnie Greer seemed more inclined to ridicule him because of his very basic understanding of human history which is what he entirely basis his parties immigration policy on. Jack Straw however did accept blame on behalf of labour for the poor immigration standards of the last 10 years (which i do not think for one second was a 'mistake' or 'oversight' but a deliberate move by Tony Blair to gain a cheap, labour intense work force to run the basement of the British Industry - which has left alot of 'native' workers out of work of having to work for half the wage they would have once got for working in such poor jobs). And if crime is high on the UK streets, it is not Islamic migrants, it is the result of a poor social standard which has resulted from the Blair era.
Griffins ideology is outdated and if put in place would see the UK become insular and unpopular with the world political system, which in 2009 is a reality. Global politics is how the UK got into the mess its in, and is the only way it should be resolved. Shutting out foreign aid/import/export would only serve to alienate our country.
I do not think that Griffin was badly treated, or the subject of unfair criticism. He was asked on numerous occasions to clarify his own words, policies and ideas and utterly refused to be clear and concise - where as Jack Straw gave a precise process by which to solve these problems.
My personal view of the BNP is not that of a totally racist/nazi party. They just have no idea about politics. The Nazi's and Adolf Hitler had such a clear understanding of the situation in Germany and when elected in 1933 they were able to totally revolutionize the country - but behind the varnished public appearance was murder, political heracy and an overwhelming need to socially engineer humanity leading to a war which left Germany in physical, politcal and financial ruin for years and years. Just because UK, US and world leaders met with the Nazi party didn't justify their actions or that of the BNP. It was a political decision as Germany had gigantic ties involving war repayments and a peace treaty which they wanted to see upheld. The problem was that when Hitler starting rearming the country, which was illegal according to the Treaty of Versailles, the world turned its back.
Just to add fuel to your debate lol i just received this newsletter .
QUESTION TIME ROUND-UPFellow British Patriot
"The man's got guts!" "At last, someone saying exactly what we all feel". "The hand-picked audience in the studio hated what Nick had to say, but we loved it". "I've never seen such political bullying on TV in my life." "When he pointed out how all the others are racist against the English, we were all cheering".
Just a few of the responses to the long-awaited BBC Question Time with Nick Griffin tonight. It was never going to be easy: Central London is the most 'enriched' and 'diverse' part of Britain, the BBC audience selection process is clearly guaranteed to 'weed out' politically incorrect guests, and the other panellists shared one aim: to rough up Nick Griffin.
As it is, no-one who saw Jack Straw turn ashen-faced when Nick responded to his 'Nazi' smear by pointing out that "my father served in the RAF during the Second World War - yours spent it in prison for refusing to fight Adolf Hitler." Time and time again Nick gave as good as he got.
Most of all though, this wasn't a proper Question Time at all. The usual format was done away with for the first time in 30 years as the BBC over-compensated for allowing us on by setting things up for a televised lynching.
There was nothing about current affairs at all; no postal strike, nothing about the announcement that Tony Blair is about to be appointed EU President, nothing about the continued slaughter of young British soldiers in Afghanistan, nothing about the latest stages of the banking crisis and the scandal of the Government propping up corrupt banks while imposing savage cuts on essential services. On all those subjects and many more, the BNP's nationalist position offers a real alternative to the three old internationalist parties.
But the only non-BNP/immigration question was about a Daily Mail article on the death of Stephen Gately, and even that was a trap - which Chairman Nick Griffin avoided with both ease and principle.
Where does it leave the BNP? On this day alone our website has had in the region of 15 million 'hits' and over 2,000 new registrations for future membership before QT even started! Millions were shocked by the violence of the leftist mob sponsored by - among other MPs - Peter Hain and David Cameron.
With millions more people beginning to grasp the extent to which the three old parties are essentially the same, while the British National Party is really different. With millions of people knowing that in just a couple of killer soundbites in the middle of the programme, Nick Griffin summed up exactly how they, and all their friends and neighbours, feel about the mess that Lib-Lab-Con have made of our poor country.
They will also have noted very well that Nick Griffin and Bonny Greer clearly got on well, and that Nick listened with respect and answered with consideration even hostile questions from members of ethnic minorities in the audience; the hostility tonight wasn't from Nick towards anyone on account of their ethnicity or religion, it was from the representatives of the failed old parties towards the new kid on the block.
When the details of all the personal attacks against Nick Griffin are long forgotten, people will remember him standing up bravely to a barrage of hate to say things on behalf of the Silent Majority that have never been said on the flagship programme of British politics before.
I have to disagree with deadly and tjl and most certainly the letter from the BNP to their' comrades', what a fucking joke.
Firstly, Immigrants are an easy target, it's easy to blame them for everything. Tjl, no, most people do not agree with this but just don't admit it, only racists do. If people think that by kicking out immigrants is going to somehow make the Uk some kind of fucking all white paradise then seriously,they are in need of help. You think that suddenly you will have a super powered job because someone from Poland is not living here? Yeah right, just like you were BEFORE they all came right? Many of these run down areas where the BNP are most prominant have always been racist, way way way before any poles or romanians came here. If there was one shop run by an indian family you can gurantee they were harrassed, often enough for them to move. These people are just racist, always have been always will be.Maybe people need to be looking at how much money is spent on weapons in this country before taking the easy option of blaming foreigners. Start looking at how little is spent on investment in areas let down since the Thatcher years, left to rot and become ghost towns, areas where the BNP are rife because again, people must be living like this because a few Poles or romanians live here and nothing at all about the governments not replacing now long gone coal mines or steelworks with other work.
The real problems in this country and others is nothing to do with foreign workers it's because for years and years the stinking rich were given as much money as they liked only to fuck off to their tax havens abroad without giving anything back.
If anything we should be proud to be living in a country where we welcome people from all over the world but in the BNP's case it's "well if you're white, say Aussie or American that's ok, we just don't want those blacks or pakis coming here" Fucking racist to the core and those that vote for them are not only fucking imbeciles but will always be racist, it's in their blood anything foreign to them is just too much for the small brains to take. They have pre-conceived ideas about these people from too many years of reading the Sun or the daily mail. They are the kind of people who go to Spain and think everyone should speak english and come out with things like 'Grassy arse' ha ha ha, fucking hilarious.
But don't let me have you thinking i'm a labourite or a tory, far from it. I'm all for another party coming along and battling against them but a party with well founded ideas, not just 'if we get rid of the blacks and foreigners we'll be ok'. Only an idiot would think that's the right answer.
So al you who think the BNP are the way forward, fucking grow up and just think next time you go and see your beloved united or arsenal or liverpool play most of that team would be shipped out.
The foreigners are not the problem with this country it's the racist thugs and if we dealt with these morons more severly when we see them marching with the nazi loving, racist banners we should round them up and lock the lot up for a long time as they have no place in a forward thinking society, none.
Griffin was given his chance to explain his policies and actions but seemingly refused to do it and i dont think that he was attacked in anyway by the other political members on the panel. Bonnie Greer seemed more inclined to ridicule him because of his very basic understanding of human history which is what he entirely basis his parties immigration policy on. Jack Straw however did accept blame on behalf of labour for the poor immigration standards of the last 10 years (which i do not think for one second was a 'mistake' or 'oversight' but a deliberate move by Tony Blair to gain a cheap, labour intense work force to run the basement of the British Industry - which has left alot of 'native' workers out of work of having to work for half the wage they would have once got for working in such poor jobs). And if crime is high on the UK streets, it is not Islamic migrants, it is the result of a poor social standard which has resulted from the Blair era.
Griffins ideology is outdated and if put in place would see the UK become insular and unpopular with the world political system, which in 2009 is a reality. Global politics is how the UK got into the mess its in, and is the only way it should be resolved. Shutting out foreign aid/import/export would only serve to alienate our country.
I do not think that Griffin was badly treated, or the subject of unfair criticism. He was asked on numerous occasions to clarify his own words, policies and ideas and utterly refused to be clear and concise - where as Jack Straw gave a precise process by which to solve these problems.
My personal view of the BNP is not that of a totally racist/nazi party. They just have no idea about politics. The Nazi's and Adolf Hitler had such a clear understanding of the situation in Germany and when elected in 1933 they were able to totally revolutionize the country - but behind the varnished public appearance was murder, political heracy and an overwhelming need to socially engineer humanity leading to a war which left Germany in physical, politcal and financial ruin for years and years. Just because UK, US and world leaders met with the Nazi party didn't justify their actions or that of the BNP. It was a political decision as Germany had gigantic ties involving war repayments and a peace treaty which they wanted to see upheld. The problem was that when Hitler starting rearming the country, which was illegal according to the Treaty of Versailles, the world turned its back.
So Jack Straw accepts responsibility for poor immigration standards then berates the BNP for bringing up the same issue - go figure.
I have been reading on the BNP website a bit. I must say i nearly stood and cheered when i read their policy on crime and justice. It's probably the single most sensible policy i've read in along time. Australia has a work for the dole scheme - don't want to find a job yourself then they will find one for you and if you don't take it then you get cut off. Fair enough in my book. Saves a lot of money and gets rid of dole bludgers. They mention concrete tower estates being knocked down as they are a haven for criminal activity. Well the same thing has been done here in inner Sydney suburbs and the crime rate did drop dramatically and quickly. Bringing back capital punishment for Pedos, murderers and terrorists is long overdue. We should have no sympathy for these maggots and to pay their prison expenses till they die is just another slap in the face to the law abiding citizens that work hard and pay their taxes.
Another one was automatic prison sentences for repeat offenders. Don't see why people would have a problem with that. Joint custody of children in divorce cases if both parents are fit is a good policy as i have personal experience with this. Overcrowding in prisons will be solved by the deportation of the tens of thousands of foreign criminals to serve their sentences abroad in their home countries. This act alone will free up to 70 percent of jail space in many prisons - isn't that common sense? Is that wrong? I don't think so. If you've migrated here to start a better life and work hard behave yourself then it's all good. If you've come here to be an arsehole and a criminal then you can bloody well go back. If they did do that it would stop a huge amount of crime or even deter crime minded people from going there in the first place.
If you actually get past the media hype and read their policies - some make perfect sense to me... i must be a racist nazi...
Australia has a work for the dole scheme - don't want to find a job yourself then they will find one for you and if you don't take it then you get cut off. Fair enough in my book. Saves a lot of money and gets rid of dole bludgers.
They do that here. I was on the rock and roll last year for about 2 months.
You get 12 weeks to get a job on your own. If you don't they start forcing you to apply for anything you might get. If you don't apply they cut you off.
I have to disagree with deadly and tjl and most certainly the letter from the BNP to their' comrades', what a fucking joke.
The foreigners are not the problem with this country it's the racist thugs and if we dealt with these morons more severly when we see them marching with the nazi loving, racist banners we should round them up and lock the lot up for a long time as they have no place in a forward thinking society, none.
I think you've been caught up in all the hype Toff. People that disagree with a law or policy are not racists, they are simply offering another point of view which in a democracy, yes the one you live in now, offers them. Why is the minutes of the meeting letter a fucken joke? There is more than one side to a story - if it's not your side or what you think is right then it's a fucken joke? Dangerous thinking there mate....
Complaining about rich people fucking off to tax havens is probably correct but at the same time it is a product of the major three political parties that you will more than likely get out of bed on an election Saturday to give your support to and vote for. A better idea would be to give your support to someone else that is actually addressing the very problem that pisses you off. Remember that not every policy of each political party is a winner - alot of them are shot down in the Senate. To dismiss every idea a party has on the basis of one idea that you don't like is in itself narrow minded. They do make some decent points too. All the media talks about is Hitler,germany bombs hitler racists hitler - you get the point - and people can get a bit carried away in it all and forget to actually read up on their policies which i believe, in a way, is what the current government want..
They do that here. I was on the rock and roll last year for about 2 months.
You get 12 weeks to get a job on your own. If you don't they start forcing you to apply for anything you might get. If you don't apply they cut you off.
The thing with that is , they can send you to shit loads of interveiws but if you dont want the job all you have to do if fail the interview
The thing with that is , they can send you to shit loads of interveiws but if you dont want the job all you have to do if fail the interview
simples lol
Why I posted that Trainspotting clip. I don't like you sober(good work btw). We should be at each others throats by now....call me a cunt for old time sake.
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