Never thought i'd see the day

[goodison]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

That the best you can do? Fairly pathetic eh?

I was referring to the fat that they won four leagues between them 64-67 not to mention their success in Europe etc. So if they didn't dominate the entire decade, they did for a good chunk of it. None of it changes what we were discussing originally, which is that however low either of the clubs ever sunk, the rivalry wouldn't lose any of it's intensity. Liverpool haven't won the league in twenty years and yet their result is still the one most united fans look for. That will never change.

3 years don't make a decade ...

Perhaps you're one of the United fans who were raised on the television generation of the rivalry. I know a fair amount of United fans actually born in Manchester who care more about their city rivalry than they do the Liverpool rivalry. Same with the Liverpool/Everton (my family and I were actually born and raised in Liverpool and we personally care more about our local rivalry) though some Liverpool fans, more aiming towards those raised during the 70s and 80s, care more about the United rivalry).

Bill Shankly personally hated Everton more than he did Manchester United, and the inter-city rivalry was created more by the press of the day than the actual fans.

And if you know your history, (and possibly actually came from one of the cities), you might know that the rivalry you speak of didn't really start occuring until the Liverpool dominance of the 70s and the decline of the shipping yards.

[ruudboy]

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Originally Posted by goodison

3 years don't make a decade ...

Perhaps you're one of the United fans who were raised on the television generation of the rivalry. I know a fair amount of United fans actually born in Manchester who care more about their city rivalry than they do the Liverpool rivalry. Same with the Liverpool/Everton (my family and I were actually born and raised in Liverpool and we personally care more about our local rivalry) though some Liverpool fans, more aiming towards those raised during the 70s and 80s, care more about the United rivalry).

Bill Shankly personally hated Everton more than he did Manchester United, and the inter-city rivalry was created more by the press of the day than the actual fans.

And if you know your history, (and possibly actually came from one of the cities), you might know that the rivalry you speak of didn't really start occuring until the Liverpool dominance of the 70s and the decline of the shipping yards.

Lived in moss side for 8 years, I originally come from waterford. I used to live in a place called thornton road, which was behind the old maine road stadium. That area of the city typically populated by city fans. Many of the city fans were like a lot of everton fans (yourself included no doubt) in that they were bitter and resentful that the other side didn't see them as chief rivals. Ask any Liverpool fan to choose between a loss to Everton or United, the vast majority would say that they would rather lose to Everton. You need to get beyond that my friend. Liverpool reserve their most special vitriol for us and we them. Everton and City famous old clubs that they are, know that their "derby games do not matter as much to United and Liverpool as the games between the two.

You speak of the rivalry, it goes way back long before the 70's, again if you'd actually read what i'd written and not rushed off to type a riposte you'd have seen I referred to the great cultural rivalry between the cities the subject of numerous documentary films.

The point you make about the differing generational points of view is well made. I'm sure people born before 1970 would have seen the merseyside derby as all important. And during Evertons successes in the 1980's while United struggled it again was priority number one in the city. But certainly not now.

[Begbie]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

That the best you can do? Fairly pathetic eh?

I was referring to the fat that they won four leagues between them 64-67 not to mention their success in Europe etc. So if they didn't dominate the entire decade, they did for a good chunk of it. None of it changes what we were discussing originally, which is that however low either of the clubs ever sunk, the rivalry wouldn't lose any of it's intensity. Liverpool haven't won the league in twenty years and yet their result is still the one most united fans look for. That will never change.

Once again you contradict yourself. You really should try harder, take your own advice and read posts in forums before you post; especially your own. You make, at best, spurious points in support of your opinions and when challenged, return to the original point without acknowledging your error.

I consider your efforts fairly pathetic. Please do some research before subjecting me to your ill-advised opinions and arguments. There's a good boy.

Edit: As for the rivalry on the music scene, I can't recall any big Manchester bands in the 60s. If my memory serves me correctly, the Hacienda et al were not 60's phenonema.

[goodison]

And, of course, unlike you .. I was actually alive during the 60s and remember the rivalry of the 70s.

But judging on quite a few of your previous posts, you are well studied, but I actually remember standing in Anfield and Old Trafford when the pitches were mud pools and remember the chants, the anger and, indeed at times, the violence. Living it is far different from watching documentary movies. Remember in those days, tickets were a lot more manageable and Liverpool fans would go to Everton matches with their families and vice versa a lot more often than nowadays. And the Liverpool/Manchester United hatred worsened considerably in the 70s.

Younger fans like yourself will no doubt see Liverpool as their biggest rival, but your argument falls miserably with older generations.

I rarely actually argue here, in fact, I like a good laugh, but a majority of your posts have irked me - from arguing with older members who have been around longer and have seen, and indeed done, much more than you, to the condescending tone and manner of your posts.

If you don't agree with someone, or someone dares disagree with you, you change rather dramatically.

[ruudboy]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

Once again you contradict yourself. You really should try harder, take your own advice and read posts in forums before you post; especially your own. You make, at best, spurious points in support of your opinions and when challenged, return to the original point without acknowledging your error.

I consider your efforts fairly pathetic. Please do some research before subjecting me to your ill-advised opinions and arguments. There's a good boy.

Fuck off you patronising ****. Hows that?

[goodison]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

Fuck off you patronising ****. Hows that?

You really aren't 35, are you?

[ruudboy]

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Originally Posted by goodison

And, of course, unlike you .. I was actually alive during the 60s and remember the rivalry of the 70s.

But judging on quite a few of your previous posts, you are well studied, but I actually remember standing in Anfield and Old Trafford when the pitches were mud pools and remember the chants, the anger and, indeed at times, the violence. Living it is far different from watching documentary movies. Remember in those days, tickets were a lot more manageable and Liverpool fans would go to Everton matches with their families and vice versa a lot more often than nowadays. And the Liverpool/Manchester United hatred worsened considerably in the 70s.

Younger fans like yourself will no doubt see Liverpool as their biggest rival, but your argument falls miserably with older generations.

I rarely actually argue here, in fact, I like a good laugh, but a majority of your posts have irked me - from arguing with older members who have been around longer and have seen, and indeed done, much more than you, to the condescending tone and manner of your posts.

If you don't agree with someone, or someone dares disagree with you, you change rather dramatically.

Irked, good word

Look some of you people here are a little bit precious to say the least! I'm not in the least condescending and have no problems with someone disagreeing with something I say. I've not argued with anyone either, who/what you referring to? I've acknowledged I should have been more specific with regards to the 1960's and corrected myself.

Look in short, let's call the whole thing off! Lifes too short

[ruudboy]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

Once again you contradict yourself. You really should try harder, take your own advice and read posts in forums before you post; especially your own. You make, at best, spurious points in support of your opinions and when challenged, return to the original point without acknowledging your error.

I consider your efforts fairly pathetic. Please do some research before subjecting me to your ill-advised opinions and arguments. There's a good boy.

Edit: As for the rivalry on the music scene, I can't recall any big Manchester bands in the 60s. If my memory serves me correctly, the Hacienda et al were not 60's phenonema.

your ignorance knows no bounds, The hollies, freddie and the dreamers, and we'll claim the bee gees as they spent their formative years in the city. I could go on . . . but you're boring the piss out of me now.

[sakis27]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

Fuck off you patronising ****. Hows that?

now now no need for swearing calm down take a deep breath and stop acting like a ....mmmmm i'll leave that for you to decide.

[ruudboy]

Diva?

[Begbie]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

your ignorance knows no bounds, The hollies, freddie and the dreamers, and we'll claim the bee gees as they spent their formative years in the city. I could go on . . . but you're boring the piss out of me now.

No. Please do go on naming bands. You'll find it pretty difficult.

As for the Bee Gees, using them as an example of musical rivalry during the decade few years when both teams were very successful in the 60s is ridiculous and another factual error on your part. The Bee Gees were not well enough known to be part of any musical rivalry during this period. As for them living in Australia between 1958 and 1966 ..... we'll just ignore that shall we?

I'm glad that you are now throwing your toys out of the pram. This indicates, as I thought, that you are unable to sustain a rational conversation and when challenged on some of your assertions cannot handle it.

Have a nice day.

[ruudboy]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

No. Please do go on naming bands. You'll find it pretty difficult.

As for the Bee Gees, using them as an example of musical rivalry during the decade few years when both teams were very successful in the 60s is ridiculous and another factual error on your part. The Bee Gees were not well enough known to be part of any musical rivalry during this period. As for them living in Australia between 1958 and 1966 ..... we'll just ignore that shall we?

I'm glad that you are now throwing your toys out of the pram. This indicates, as I thought, that you are unable to sustain a rational conversation and when challenged on some of your assertions cannot handle it.

Have a nice day.

I won't demean you by directing you to Wikipedias list of manchester bands, which, incidentally, lists the bee gees as a manchester band.

You conveniently fly by the fact that you earlier asserted there were no big bands from Manchester in the 60's, displaying frightening ignorance on your part. Remember, I only had to name one, and I did more than that

That is challenging an assertion eh? I have plenty of good chats with people here and in the livechat, many of whom have differing opinions to mine. And I have no problem with that at all.

by the way:

"The elder Gibb brothers were born on the Isle of Man, but the family returned to father Hugh Gibb's home town of Chorlton cum Hardy, Manchester, England, in the early 1950s where the boys began to sing in harmony. On one occasion, the boys were going to lip sync to a record in the local Gaumont cinema (as other children had done on previous weeks), but as they were running to get there Maurice dropped the record and it broke. Now having no record, the brothers sang live and received such a positive response from the audience that they decided to pursue a singing career" Source: www.wikipedia.org

And I never claimed that the bee gees were part of any musical rivalry during that period, but was responding to your ridiculous idea that there were no big bands from Manchester a that time. I pointed you to the Hollies and freddie and thdreamers, and i recall saying after that that the bee gees spent their formative years in the city.

Now go and bother someone else. I shall not read, nor reply to anything else you do here or in any other thread.

[Begbie]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

I won't demean you by directing you to Wikipedias list of manchester bands, which, incidentally, lists the bee gees as a manchester band.

You conveniently fly by the fact that you earlier asserted there were no big bands from Manchester in the 60's, displaying frightening ignorance on your part. Remember, I only had to name one, and I did more than that

That is challenging an assertion eh? I have plenty of good chats with people here and in the livechat, many of whom have differing opinions to mine. And I have no problem with that at all.

by the way:

"The elder Gibb brothers were born on the Isle of Man, but the family returned to father Hugh Gibb's home town of Chorlton cum Hardy, Manchester, England, in the early 1950s where the boys began to sing in harmony. On one occasion, the boys were going to lip sync to a record in the local Gaumont cinema (as other children had done on previous weeks), but as they were running to get there Maurice dropped the record and it broke. Now having no record, the brothers sang live and received such a positive response from the audience that they decided to pursue a singing career" Source: www.wikipedia.org

And I never claimed that the bee gees were part of any musical rivalry during that period, but was responding to your ridiculous idea that there were no big bands from Manchester a that time. I pointed you to the Hollies and freddie and thdreamers, and i recall saying after that that the bee gees spent their formative years in the city.

Now go and bother someone else. I shall not read, nor reply to anything else you do here or in any other thread.

I'll demean you by asking you to name another big-name band who were playing when you claim the rivalry was incubated.

Re: the Bee Gees. Again you are being selective in your quotes. Have you actually fully read and understood any of the articles that you have provided links to?

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Now go and bother someone else. I shall not read, nor reply to anything else you do here or in any other thread.

I think you will find that I will post and comment in any thread if I have an opinion. I respectfully suggest that you will find it difficult not to read my posts, or if you manage not to read them, follow what is said subsequently in the thread.

Do you promise that you are not some school-boy on a wind up? Your posts certainly display all the characteristics of a frustrated adolescent.

[megansdad]

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Originally Posted by ruudboy

I love it when twats like you quote someones post, and then write a reply which bears no evidence that you actualy READ what that person wrote to begin with. You've certainly not read any of the other 50 posts I've made (it's about 90 actually). Because this thread is the only one in which I've discussed Liverpool and the ongoings at the club.

And don't be precious. I support Manchester United. There's no love lost between our clubs. You obviously don't know the history of your own club let alone mine. Liverpool remain the most successful club in English football history, followed closely by United.

The Liverpool United rivalry goes back to the sixties when the clubs dominated the domestic game and a cultural rivalry grew through the music as well as the footie. Smith, Hunt, St. John, Best, Law and Charlton?number one and vice versa.

Now fuck off and grow up, and before you reply to anything you've read on this or any other forum, I suggest you take the time to READ it. Alright Mate?? No offence Now.

seen them all play on the same pitch matey?
2-2 draw at anfield 1972 i was there albeit i amongst the united supporters in the anfield road end of the ground.
yep remember it well liverpool 2-1 up and charlton scored a screamer from the edge of the box to make it 2-2.
dont start telling me i know nothing about the history of my club ok
tithead.

[megansdad]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruudboy

I won't demean you by directing you to Wikipedias list of manchester bands, which, incidentally, lists the bee gees as a manchester band.

You conveniently fly by the fact that you earlier asserted there were no big bands from Manchester in the 60's, displaying frightening ignorance on your part. Remember, I only had to name one, and I did more than that

That is challenging an assertion eh? I have plenty of good chats with people here and in the livechat, many of whom have differing opinions to mine. And I have no problem with that at all.

by the way:

"The elder Gibb brothers were born on the Isle of Man, but the family returned to father Hugh Gibb's home town of Chorlton cum Hardy, Manchester, England, in the early 1950s where the boys began to sing in harmony. On one occasion, the boys were going to lip sync to a record in the local Gaumont cinema (as other children had done on previous weeks), but as they were running to get there Maurice dropped the record and it broke. Now having no record, the brothers sang live and received such a positive response from the audience that they decided to pursue a singing career" Source: www.wikipedia.org

And I never claimed that the bee gees were part of any musical rivalry during that period, but was responding to your ridiculous idea that there were no big bands from Manchester a that time. I pointed you to the Hollies and freddie and thdreamers, and i recall saying after that that the bee gees spent their formative years in the city.

Now go and bother someone else. I shall not read, nor reply to anything else you do here or in any other thread.

they were shyte anyway