Louis Theroux

[Begbie]

I've just watched his programme about paedophiles and I've come to a few conclusions.

1. Those cunts are born that way and can't ever be trusted in society.
2. Psychologists/facilitators are shit. Just a made up job title.
3. There should be separate showers for men and gay men. (not calling gays 'padoes' but we don't want people watching us when we're washing. They're born that way.)

[adam_ayres1988]

Pretty much agree with what you said, although psychologists can't help these people they have helped many others.

[Dr_Jae]

I watched it too and I know what you mean about the psychologists - they didn't come across well in that program.

It also left me thinking that the whole concept of the "Hospital" is flawed - I don't think Peadophiles can be "Cured". That's like saying you can "cure" gay people or foot fetishists.

I also got the impression that the "hospital" weren't too bothered about the 70% who don't take part in the treatment though - it's just a place to keep them out of society and if they won't accept the treatment the goverment has the justification it needs to lock them up for life.

Personally I think touching kids is all the justification you would need to permanently remove somebody from society, but that's a seperate issue. In this case they have served the sentance handed down to them and the government has then found a way to legally keep them imprisoned for the rest of their lives.

[Sky_Blue_Chris91]

Frankly I disagree, peadophillia although perhaps a sexual desire for them is still a moral judgement for them to make.
What these human beings (and I use that term loosely) do is pure evil, and no amount "there just born that way" will ever convince me otherwise.
Chemical castration has been shown to reduce the sexual desires and libido of the sexual offender and in my opinion should be used as a punshment and therefore a deterrent.

My 2 pence for ya.

[Dr_Jae]

Chris, neither Begbie or myself are saying saying their behaviour isn't evil - we're saying we don't think their nature can be changed in the way this program suggested - i.e. that they could be taught to not feel attracted to Children.

I completly agree that it is their moral responsibility to repress their desires and not act on them, and chemical castration is a much more realistic approach than the pyshciatric approach shown in the program.

[Sharky]

I agree, they should not be allowed to fit into society.

However.....

One of our (Male) teachers at school was found in bed by his wife with a 15 year old lad. He got sent down for a couple of years for kiddy fiddlying, lost his job, wife etc. There were romours kicking around that he'd topped himself a few years later.

Now, years later a mate from school was chatting to this lad after bumping into him ina pub in the middle of Manchester (now probably about 20/21ish) and he was saying he consented to sex with the teacher. He said he'd known for years before that incident that he was gay and was attrached to older men and was at the time he was chatting to my mate seeing a fella in his 50s.

I'm not defending the teacher, he was in a position of responsibility and took advantage of it but it does make you realise that there are degrees of child abuse.

[Sky_Blue_Chris91]

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Originally Posted by Dr_Jae

Chris, neither Begbie or myself are saying saying their behaviour isn't evil - we're saying we don't think their nature can be changed in the way this program suggested - i.e. that they could be taught to not feel attracted to Children.

I completly agree that it is their moral responsibility to repress their desires and not act on them, and chemical castration is a much more realistic approach than the pyshciatric approach shown in the program.

Well I apologise and I misunderstood your statements.
I do agree that the idea that psychotherapy will change they're ways is simply ridiculous, for a start its not they're mind they're thinking with.

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Originally Posted by Sharky

I agree, they should not be allowed to fit into society.

However.....

One of our (Male) teachers at school was found in bed by his wife with a 15 year old lad. He got sent down for a couple of years for kiddy fiddlying, lost his job, wife etc. There were romours kicking around that he'd topped himself a few years later.

Now, years later a mate from school was chatting to this lad after bumping into him ina pub in the middle of Manchester (now probably about 20/21ish) and he was saying he consented to sex with the teacher. He said he'd known for years before that incident that he was gay and was attrached to older men and was at the time he was chatting to my mate seeing a fella in his 50s.

I'm not defending the teacher, he was in a position of responsibility and took advantage of it but it does make you realise that there are degrees of child abuse.

Yes Sharks I see your point, as with every other crime the excentuating circumstances behind it does make a difference, however the man broke the law, a very serious one.

Mens rea I believe its called, guilty mind, that is the major aspect of every crime and prosecution thereof, these people, including this teacher, know that what they are doing is morrally wrong and completely illegal, but did it anyway, and therefore must be punished.