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there's trouble in my part of manchester. im 5 mins walk from the trouble. the local arndale is on fire.
edit local pubs are shutting up early and bolting doors. a gang of youths is roaming around the centre of the town causing trouble. smashing up cars and attacking people. [as per my daughters boyfriend. im going out to pick him up he's scared.]
Hope nowt happens to Ste, we need links! Seriously though hope you're ok man.
Careful Lumberjack! That's how many of the Loyalist paramilitaries began in NI.
The different local 'Defence Associations' combined and became the UDA. Good on them?
I think this is different and I hope, shortlived enough to send a message to these rioting morons. I also hope this doesn't cause any (further) racial or political divisions. At present it appears to be people standing up for their communities and livelihoods.
First up in Highbury magistrates was 31-year-old teaching assistant Alexis Bailey, charged with looting etc. in Croydon.
What a completely brainless knob. Apparently came out the court swearing and walked into a lampost
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There is always a way.......it's finding it that is the problem.
I'm completely saddened by what's happened in London and all over England during the last four nights.
And I am, and I'm sick of people making excuses for them. They've been telling these yobs that nothing's their fault because they're from deprived backgrounds for years, a lot of them have been getting away with yobbish behaviour.
Some of those arrested had good jobs, so don't give me the bleeding heart sob story- WE'VE ALL GOT ONE ANYWAY. We don't all take it out on society. Take some responsibiity for your own actions.
I think this is different and I hope, shortlived enough to send a message to these rioting morons. I also hope this doesn't cause any (further) racial or political divisions. At present it appears to be people standing up for their communities and livelihoods.
The Loyalist local defence groups were set up to protect their local neighbourhoods from violence. There was no intent to set up a paramilitary organisation. When people decide that they can decide who is allowed into their area, problems result.
We've already seen people armed with swords, baseball bats etc gathering to protect their areas, temples and so on. I hope that the Troubles in England stop mirroring the early days of the Troubles in N. Ireland but still believe that support for vigilantism is dangerous. People in Loyalist areas of NI were grateful that their local defence associations were defending their homes at a dangerous time. A lot of support for paramilitaries dates back to then and has been passed through the family in subsequent years.
Local defence groups may be set up in England over the coming months to counter the threat of future riots. Groups with a similar ethnicity/religious background will band together and this will lead to ..... ?
Similar riots have been happening in NI over many years. The 'easy' description is Protestant v Catholic v Police but there have always been more complicated reasons than that. Different people take part for different reasons. It is time that people (and the media) stopped blaming the riots on a 'certain type of person'. I've wandered out of pubs into a group of people having plastic bullets shot at them and wandered into the middle of a police baton charge. The fact that I hadn't taken part in any disorder but was still attacked annoyed me. I didn't subsequently take part in the riot but can understand those around me who did.
People calling for the use of water-cannon do not realise the time restrictions involved in deploying them. They are not the most manoeuvrable of vehicles and when in position, have to be connected to a water-main. This takes 15-30 minutes. If you are a looter, move on to the next street and you can loot at will for 15 minutes.
The Loyalist local defence groups were set up to protect their local neighbourhoods from violence. There was no intent to set up a paramilitary organisation. When people decide that they can decide who is allowed into their area, problems result.
We've already seen people armed with swords, baseball bats etc gathering to protect their areas, temples and so on. I hope that the Troubles in England stop mirroring the early days of the Troubles in N. Ireland but still believe that support for vigilantism is dangerous. People in Loyalist areas of NI were grateful that their local defence associations were defending their homes at a dangerous time. A lot of support for paramilitaries dates back to then and has been passed through the family in subsequent years.
Local defence groups may be set up in England over the coming months to counter the threat of future riots. Groups with a similar ethnicity/religious background will band together and this will lead to ..... ?
Similar riots have been happening in NI over many years. The 'easy' description is Protestant v Catholic v Police but there have always been more complicated reasons than that. Different people take part for different reasons. It is time that people (and the media) stopped blaming the riots on a 'certain type of person'. I've wandered out of pubs into a group of people having plastic bullets shot at them and wandered into the middle of a police baton charge. The fact that I hadn't taken part in any disorder but was still attacked annoyed me. I didn't subsequently take part in the riot but can understand those around me who did.
People calling for the use of water-cannon do not realise the time restrictions involved in deploying them. They are not the most manoeuvrable of vehicles and when in position, have to be connected to a water-main. This takes 15-30 minutes. If you are a looter, move on to the next street and you can loot at will for 15 minutes.
Short lived too I hope. It's inevitable that if people perceive the police as not coping, problems will occur.
You must have seen every connotation of outcome there Begs. Hope things are calm at the moment.
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Short lived too I hope. It's inevitable that if people perceive the police as not coping, problems will occur.
You must have seen every connotation of outcome there Begs. Hope things are calm at the moment.
I hope that is short-lived too. Honestly, vigilantism is not the answer. It does lead to a small group of people deciding who should be allowed into the area. Think about that point when discussing vigilantism.
The riots in Belfast, a few weeks ago, were described as 'recreational rioting' in the media. They were also described as 'UVF organised'. My understanding is that there were many reasons. Both of the above are true but there were also other reasons.
OT. Has David "we're all in this together" Cameron realised that we aren't all in it together? His statements gave me the impression that he has just realised what life is like for real people before returning to his millionaire life-style. David "I'm angry" Cameron has never tried to live on £50 per week but believes that people should work for a net gain of £10 a week. I know a few young people who have had their dole stopped, zero income, house-keeping to pay. There's a danger that they may loot if the chance arises.
I'm starting to rant (and at times disagree with several points above ^^) so I'll shut my mooth. :lpl:
One of my mates son did this hes 16 just left school i hate rappy crap but think this is pretty good for a young un . Language is choice lol FSi Embedded Video - Visit Source
Partly opportunism/greed
Partly because a crowd incident attracts more people
Partly because "It's a buzz"
Partly because they've seen rich people getting away with 'financial' murder, why shouldn't they rip people off?
Partly because they hate the police who 'sum you up' on sight and treat you accordingly
Partly because of the reaction shop-owners have had to them entering their shops
Partly because some individuals have personal grievances with others in the community
Why have an inquiry? What was posted here, last week, summarises most of the reasons.
BBC2, Newsnight, C4 News and politicians are now highlighting most of the above as contributing factors to the riots. Perhaps journalists and politicians should join FSi and get their stories and explanations in place earlier.
The new fixation on gangs is a red herring. Gangs in the UK cannot be equated to gangs in the USA. Perhaps they can be equated at the extremes but in general, a 'gang' in the UK is very different to a 'gang' in the USA. Perhaps my benchmark may be wrong. I am basing my opinion on media 'reportage' on 'gang' conduct.
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