John Terry a racist?

[Toffeepop]

Right, as much as i despise John Terry i do think he's been unfairly treated here. Having watched the so called racist comment on Youtube plenty of times, i don't think he's saying black cunt. He's definitely saying cunt but the word before is unclear. I'm no lip reading expert but i think it's pretty easy to tell if someone is saying black. Not sure what he's saying mind you. Also, Anton Ferdinand saying he has 'very strong views' on the matter, wtf does that mean?Why didn't he say anything at the time? Remember, this all started because ONE person made a complaint.

I just think we now find ourselves in a culture where one fucking, christian. holier than thow cunt makes a complaint and before you know it there is a facebook campaign, tweets galore, people with vendettas jumping on the bandwagon and then they make complaints but wouldn't give a fuck otherwise if they didn't fall for this bullshit. Then on top of that, when a couple of hundred people complain the powers that be normally heed to them! Fucking ridiculous. A perfect, unrelated example of this was the Prof Brian Cox series when 200 people complained that the music (which is fucking brilliant by the way) was too loud so they fucking turned it down! What about the millions of viewers who didn't complain?

So basically what i'm getting at is that, 1, John Terry, regardless of how much of a cunt he is, i don't think is guilty and 2. there needs to be more counter attacks towards these cunts who have nowt better to do than write complaints to the bbc etc, who are these cunts?

[KUBLA]

ach he's a scumbag from a long line of scumbags - any cunt telling me he was a racist i would not be the slightest bit surprised


but as big boring clarke carlisle said today "let's hope all parties are found innocent"


Ye no bother Clarke you fucking wanker

[mike81]

For those who missed it:

[Begbie]

Semantics.

'Black' is an adjective, a 'describing word'. eg: 'Black ink' describes the colour of the ink being used. 'Blue sky' describes the colour of the sky at a given time. 'Red bill' describes the colour of the writing on your final demand for payment from your electricity provider.

The word 'black' isn't racist. If Terry was alleged to have called Ferdinand a 'Black man', would that be racist? Are the 'National Black Police Association' racist?

If the adjective isn't racist, we have to look at the noun. 'Cunt' is considered to be the ultimate taboo word in some circles, regions and countries. For others, it is part of their everyday language. The interpretation is different, as is the intention behind the use of the word.

I don't give a fuck how the investigation works out but I don't like the recent trend that people 'take offence' at the drop of a hat. If Terry is racist, ban him. If he isn't, ban Ferdinand. They both know what they are saying. One is lying.

[imperial109]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

Semantics.

'Black' is an adjective, a 'describing word'. eg: 'Black ink' describes the colour of the ink being used. 'Blue sky' describes the colour of the sky at a given time. 'Red bill' describes the colour of the writing on your final demand for payment from your electricity provider.

The word 'black' isn't racist. If Terry was alleged to have called Ferdinand a 'Black man', would that be racist? Are the 'National Black Police Association' racist?

If the adjective isn't racist, we have to look at the noun. 'Cunt' is considered to be the ultimate taboo word in some circles, regions and countries. For others, it is part of their everyday language. The interpretation is different, as is the intention behind the use of the word.

I don't give a fuck how the investigation works out but I don't like the recent trend that people 'take offence' at the drop of a hat. If Terry is racist, ban him. If he isn't, ban Ferdinand. They both know what they are saying. One is lying.

Pretty much agree with that. If people really do get that offended by lip reading what someone said then they shouldn't step out the front door. Its complaining to just hear yourself speak.

If I call a player a stupid cunt doesn't mean I am discriminating mentally challenged people. I am sure a lot worse has been said to black people in the recent past but haven't kicked up because they know that its an off the cuff remark. I don't think Terry is racist just a bit of a stupid cunt.

[Begbie]

[Tats]

I fkin hate John Terry and i can say that without ever meeting the fucker .But this trend of calling people racists is fuckin stoopid . Evra is another one whos playing the racist card AGAIN . And all just about when the F.A bring out a new lets kick racism out of football campaign , what a load of fucking bullshite . Dont they have better things to do ? silly question i guess .

I had my bike robbed in work last night , i told the boss who then asked me if there was any other bikes outside. I said yup just the one . He asked whos it was , i didnt know the dudes name so i said the black guy on the cleaning , does that make me a racist ???

[Toffeepop]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

Semantics.

'Black' is an adjective, a 'describing word'. eg: 'Black ink' describes the colour of the ink being used. 'Blue sky' describes the colour of the sky at a given time. 'Red bill' describes the colour of the writing on your final demand for payment from your electricity provider.

The word 'black' isn't racist. If Terry was alleged to have called Ferdinand a 'Black man', would that be racist? Are the 'National Black Police Association' racist?

If the adjective isn't racist, we have to look at the noun. 'Cunt' is considered to be the ultimate taboo word in some circles, regions and countries. For others, it is part of their everyday language. The interpretation is different, as is the intention behind the use of the word.

I don't give a fuck how the investigation works out but I don't like the recent trend that people 'take offence' at the drop of a hat. If Terry is racist, ban him. If he isn't, ban Ferdinand. They both know what they are saying. One is lying.

Completely disagree. The difference between black ink etc is that you are differentiating between the different colours of ink, same as blue sky/red sky etc, you say those for the same reasons. Someone calling someone else a black cunt (if he did say it) is racist because if he was saying something to a white person the colour of his skin wouldn't come into it. It's not the same as saying the 'black fella who works in the shop...' or 'the black lady who....' i don't know one black person who has a problem with that and if they do then they are fucking idiots but if you bring up the persons skin colour in a derogatory way then it's racist no matter which way you look at it. Terry (if he did say it) could have just said cunt, no need to bring skin colour into at all. I just don't think he said it that's all.

[Begbie]

Why would that be any worse than calling somebody 'a fat cunt'. No need to bring weight into it but it wouldn't cause the same uproar.

[Toffeepop]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

Why would that be any worse than calling somebody 'a fat cunt'. No need to bring weight into it but it wouldn't cause the same uproar.

Not saying it would be any worse but instead of being a racist you would be being whatever it is to be against fat people, fattist?

To make it clear, mentioning someone is black is not a problem, calling someone black or fat or whatever, is. There is a big, glaring difference. There is absolutely no need to say the word black before calling someone a cunt if the person you are calling happens to be black. None at all. Same as if someone is fat, small, skinny or whatever. If someone is a cunt, just call them a cunt.

[Begbie]

So it is unacceptable to use any adjective before a swear word directed at another person? Taken to its logical extreme, that is what you are saying. Somebody, somewhere, is going to infer that it is offensive towards them.

Is it racist to say 'a black police officer'? You appear to be saying that it is, we should just say 'police officer'.

[Toffeepop]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

So it is unacceptable to use any adjective before a swear word directed at another person? Taken to its logical extreme, that is what you are saying. Somebody, somewhere, is going to infer that it is offensive towards them.

Is it racist to say 'a black police officer'? You appear to be saying that it is, we should just say 'police officer'.

No, i'm not saying that. If you are saying it in a derogatory way, as if by saying the word black indicates you are trying to suggest that there is something wrong with being black, that it makes the comment even more severe, then that is racist. It's why and how you use the word black. I'm sure i don't need to explain this to you Begbie, it's pretty straight forward.

In your example of saying black policeman, personally if i got arrested by a black policeman and i was later telling the story to a friend, i would just say i got arrested by a policeman, wouldn't need to bring the word black into it. However, if i did, i wouldn't be racist but i see no reason why i would need to mention he was black unless for someone that had some bearing on me being arrested. What difference would it make? But if i was to say, 'I got arrested off that black cunt over there' that is clearly racist and if you can't see that then there is not really a lot more i can discuss with you about it.

But yes, if you have to mention something about that person before swearing at them then why wouldn't they be offended. If you were arguing with someone with one leg, or who was blind would you say fuck off you one legged cunt? What would that achieve and what has it got to do with the argument? If you need to swear at someone in an argument, there physical being, their handicaps or their skin colour should not come into it, just swear at them and leave it at that. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp.

[Begbie]

There's no point in us discussing this any further. You've got your ideas and I've got mine.... and yes, I would say 'fuck off you one-legged cunt'. If I was calling them 'a cunt' (in anger) that doesn't really add anything to the discussion either. That's the nature of swearing. Being PC doesn't come into it.

Re: Racism. You appear to apply 'inverse-racism' which, in itself, is a form of racism.

I should point out at this stage that I've never been in a position where I've had the need to call any black person a cunt (or 'black cunt' for that matter). In the past fortnight I've seen one black person and that was a primary school kid walking past my flat. In 'the sticks' in Northern Ireland there are very few people of other ethnicity. Perhaps that is the reason that I've got different views from you. Little or no experience.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Toffeepop]

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Originally Posted by Begbie

There's no point in us discussing this any further. You've got your ideas and I've got mine.... and yes, I would say 'fuck off you one-legged cunt'. If I was calling them 'a cunt' (in anger) that doesn't really add anything to the discussion either. That's the nature of swearing. Being PC doesn't come into it.

Re: Racism. You appear to apply 'inverse-racism' which, in itself, is a form of racism.

I should point out at this stage that I've never been in a position where I've had the need to call any black person a cunt (or 'black cunt' for that matter). In the past fortnight I've seen one black person and that was a primary school kid walking past my flat. In 'the sticks' in Northern Ireland there are very few people of other ethnicity. Perhaps that is the reason that I've got different views from you. Little or no experience.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I find that a lot, people who live in places with none or very few black or ethnic minorities are often a little more 'well, they're only saying black' but i've lived in and around many black and asian people and i can assure you, calling someone a black cunt is considered racist because it's it's making an effort to mention the word 'black' and be used derogatory. I have a mate who's black and he's known as black john cause there are a few john's in our group of friends and he has absolutely no problem with that at all as there is no malice intended. I don't think being P.C comes into it. In my experience most people who bang on about everything being too pc are normally those people who say things like 'You can't even say Paki anymore, it's ridiculous' that sort of thing. In simple terms, when someone calls someone a black cunt instead of just cunt they are insinuating that by being a cunt AND black is worse than just being a cunt. The colour of their skin shouldn't play any part in it.

[Burdock]

We talk a lot about cunts on this site.

For the record, if John Terry said what he is alleged to have said to Ferdinand, it was undoubtedly a racist comment.

[bazzer]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15757165.stm

[Begbie]

Blatter's a tool. He still lives in the age when 'men in blazers' were considered as important.

[imperial109]

Yeah this is the same person who said Ronaldo was a slave when United tried to keep hold of him, he's a plank!

[Allochtony]

Suarez is being acused of it now, against Evra!

[goodison]

Blatter apologises for stupid remarks .. and won't resign.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15782265.stm